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The Sixteenth Morning Walk:
December 10, 1973

Recorded on December 10, 1973,
On the shores of the Pacific Ocean Near Los Angeles

Çréla Prabhupäda is accompanied by Dr. Singh, Hådayänanda däsa Goswami and other students.

The Meaning of "Supreme"

Çréla Prabhupäda. What is the meaning of supremacy in this material world? Why do you accept President Nixon as the supreme person within your state?

Dr. Singh. Because he has some power.

Çréla Prabhupäda. Yes. And why is he supreme? Because as the government’s number one servant, he gets the highest salary, has all the best facilities, and his order is final.

Dr. Singh. He has the power to convince others.

Çréla Prabhupäda. No. You may not agree with him, but because he is supreme, you have to accept his order. That is his position. It does not depend on your acceptance or nonacceptance. That is the meaning of supremacy, is it not? The Vedic literature says that one who has the symptoms of supremacy is fortunate. The supremely fortunate person is God. Lakñmé-sahasra-çata-sambhrama-sevyamänam: “He is served by hundreds and thousands of lakñmés, or goddesses of fortune.” (Bs. 5.29) Here on this planet we are begging a little favor from the goddess of fortune. But Kåñëa is always worshiped by many thousands of goddesses of fortune.

Dr. Singh. To conceive of anyone so fortunate is beyond our thinking capacity.

Çréla Prabhupäda. Yes. Therefore Kåñëa is acintya, inconceivable. We cannot estimate how great or fortunate He is! Acintya means “that which we cannot estimate.” We can see only a part of God’s opulence—this material nature—which is only a partial exhibition of God’s potencies. The Supreme Personality has many potencies. He has inferior energies and superior energies. In Bhagavad-gétä (7.4) Kåñëa says:

bhümir äpo ‘nalo väyuù
khaà mano buddhir eva ca
ahaìkära itéyaà me
bhinnä prakåtir añöadhä

“Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego—all together these eight comprise My separated material energies.” In the next verse of Bhagavad-gétä, Kåñëa describes His superior energy (parä prakåti), which is manifested as the spiritual world. So, if in the inferior, material energy there are so many wonderful things, just imagine how much more important and how much more wonderful things are in the spiritual world. This is the meaning of superior.

The Mysteries of Yogic Power

Hådayänanda däsa Goswami. And are all the varieties of life we see on earth contained in the spiritual world?

Çréla Prabhupäda. Yes. And, moreover, if in this inferior energy there are so many wonderful varieties of life, just think how wonderful are the superior varieties of life in the spiritual world. Even in this material universe, the inhabitants of some planets are far superior to those on other planets. For example, people on earth practice mystic yoga for achieving wonderful powers, but people on the planet called Siddhaloka have these great yogic powers naturally. On earth it is natural that a bird can fly; but we cannot, except with costly machines. However, on such planets as Siddhaloka, the residents can fly even from one planet to another without machines. They can go to other planets simply at will. Even on earth there are some yogés who can take their bath early in the morning in four places at once—Jagannätha Puré, Rämeçvara, Hardwar and Dvärakä.[22] One yogé friend used to visit my father in Calcutta. The yogé told him that when he (the yogé) would simply sit down and touch his guru, he would travel from Calcutta to Dvärakä in two minutes. That is yogic power. So what are today’s airplanes? Durväsä Muni traveled all over the universe and up to VaikuëöhaVai means “without,” and kuëöha means “anxiety.” Thus in Vaikuëöha (the kingdom of God) there is no anxiety. The Vaikuëöha planets are in the spiritual realm, far beyond the material universes, and everyone there lives in eternal bliss and knowledge, rendering devotional service to Lord Viñëu (Kåñëa).[23] within one year. According to modern calculations, certain planets in this universe are more than forty thousand light-years[24] distant from the earth. This means it would take forty thousand years to reach these planets if you traveled at the speed of light. Even if they had the means, how could the astronauts live for forty thousand years? So, why are they so proud?

Dr. Singh. The scientists have a theory that they can produce a machine that will travel at the speed of light.

Çréla Prabhupäda. That is rascaldom. They say that, but they will never be able to do it.

Vedic Cosmology

Çréla Prabhupäda. There are many invisible planets and stars. For example, when the Rähu planet passes before the sun and moon, there is an eclipse. But the scientists describe an eclipse differently. Actually, the Rähu planet causes an eclipse. There are many questionable points regarding the modern scientists’ theory of the eclipse. Their explanation is incorrect according to Vedic information.

Dr. Singh. But the scientists say that they can prove their theories.

Çréla Prabhupäda. They say that science proves everything. But that is nonsense. The scientist has proved everything except what he is. That he does not know. And why does he die? That also he does not know. That is the extent of his knowledge.

Dr. Singh. They can make a model of the universe. They can make a model of the planets and the moon.

Çréla Prabhupäda. If they can make things, why don’t they make an imitation sun to save electricity? These rascals say everything, but they cannot do anything. That is their position. If they can make a model of the universe, let them make a big model of the sun. Then in the dark night we will not have to spend so much money on electricity. But they cannot do it. Yet they speak big, big words, simply to take money from the taxpayers. They say they know the composition of the moon and the composition of the sun, so why can’t they make them? Why can’t they create an artificial sun so that the people of Iceland and Greenland can be saved from so much cold?

God Is Never Zero

Çréla Prabhupäda. Lord Caitanya Mahäprabhu once gave the example of the jewel called cintämaëi, which produces many other jewels while remaining as it is.

oà pürëam adaù pürëam idaà
pürëät pürëam udacyate
pürëasya pürëam ädäya
pürëam evävaçiñyate
[Éço Invocation]

The meaning of this verse is that although everything emanates from the Personality of Godhead, He never diminishes. Here on earth the petrol is running out, and this is becoming a terrible problem, but the sun is still shining and will continue to shine for an untold number of years. And Kåñëa can create millions of suns; in fact, He has already done so. But He is still fully potent. He has lost nothing. That is God, and that is the supreme energy of God, acintya-çakti.

We have some money to spend, and the next day our account becomes zero. Rascals say that ultimate truth is zero, çünyaväda. They do not know that God is never zero—that He is always positive. So we must have a clear idea of God. Theologians should take these ideas from Vedic descriptions and not be misled by fools and rascals. God and His full energies are explained in the Vedic literatures. Our energy is lost, but God’s is not. That is the difference between God and us. I cannot walk swiftly or do so many other things that a young man can do, because I have lost my youthful energy. But God is always youthful. Advaitam acyutam anädim ananta-rüpam ädyaà puräëa-puruñaà nava-yauvanaà ca: “Kåñëa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is absolute, infallible and beginningless. Expanded into unlimited forms, He is the original person, the oldest, and always appearing as a fresh youth.” (Bs. 5.33) Kåñëa also says in Bhagavad-gétä, éçvaraù sarva-bhütänäà håd-deçe ‘rjuna tiñöhati: [Bg. 18.61] “The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone’s heart.” He is also within every atom. But still He is one. That is God. And He is advaita, without duality. Not that He is living within your heart and a different personality is living within my heart. No, they are one. God is everywhere by His all-pervasive features, and He is also localized; yet He is still one.

The Absolute Nature of Krishna Love

Dr. Singh. In some Western theological literature, Çréla Prabhupäda, they say that God is love.

Çréla Prabhupäda. God is everything. Why do they say He is this or that? Anything is God because He is absolute. His love and His enmity are the same. In the material world, we distinguish between love and animosity. But God’s animosity and God’s love are the same thing. Therefore, He is called acintya. or inconceivable. God’s love for the gopésThe gopés are the cowherd girls of Våndävana, and their absorption in Kåñëa consciousness and love for Kåñëa are unexcelled. However, one should never compare the loving affairs of Kåñëa and the gopés, which are completely transcendental, to mundane sexual affairs. While leading lives of celibacy and extreme austerity, Lord Caitanya and the six Gosvämés were constantly absorbed in the mood of the gopés. Chief among the gopés is Çrématé Rädhäräëé.[25] and God’s enmity for KaàsaKåñëa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead (a summary study of the Tenth Canto of Çrémad-Bhägavatam), Çréla Prabhupäda tells how Kaàsa tried many times to kill Kåñëa. Finally, Kåñëa killed Kaàsa with His bare hands in the wrestling arena of Mathurä.[26] achieved the same result. Both Kaàsa and the gopés went to the spiritual world. Also, Pütanä[27] came to poison Kåñëa, and Mother Yaçodä was always anxious to save Kåñëa, the naughty child, lest He be harmed. So Mother Yaçodä and Pütanä are opposite, but they both achieved the same results. Kåñëa thought, “I have sucked Pütanä’s breast, so now she is My mother. She must reach the same destination as Yaçodä.” This is the absolute nature of Kåñëa’s enmity and Kåñëa’s love.

vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvaà yaj jïänam advayam
brahmeti paramätmeti
bhagavän iti çabdyate

“Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramätmä or Bhagavän.” (Çrémad-Bhägavatam 1.2.11) God has His impersonal, all-pervasive feature (known as Brahman) and His localized Paramätmä feature. At the same time He is Bhagavän, which is His original, personal, transcendental form. The three are different but the same. This is the nature of God, acintya-bhedäbheda-tattva—simultaneously one and different. One who has reached the personal conception of Bhagavän has automatically reached Brahman and Paramätmä. They are all Kåñëa, but there is a difference between them. They are simultaneously one and different.

Accepting Knowledge From a Learned Person

Dr. Singh. Çréla Prabhupäda, many people have difficulty accepting God.

Çréla Prabhupäda. They are diseased, but they do not want to be treated. If they do not agree to be treated, that is their fault. One who is not Kåñëa conscious—God conscious—is a madman. Under the power of the illusory energythe inferior, material energyhe talks only nonsense, just like someone haunted by a ghost. You must approach a person who is learned. You must find such a person, a guru, and surrender to him. Then question him, and whatever answers you get from him you must accept. That is the process for understanding God. You must first find the guru; then you must satisfy him by service and by surrendering unto him. The guru will explain everything. Kåñëa explains in Bhagavad-gétä (4.34):

tad viddhi praëipätena
paripraçnena sevayä
upadekñyanti te jïänaà
jïäninas tattva-darçinaù

“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.”

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